
NIOD Rewind Podcast
New: episode 47
Are perpetrators of mass atrocities really “monsters”? Or are they, in fact, normal people, like us? Anne van Mourik and Lucy Gaynor interview Professor Alette Smeulers (University Groningen), who argues that those who commit extreme violence are often far more ordinary than we would like to believe. We discuss Alette’s research - which looks at many cases including the Holocaust, the Rwandan Genocide, Apartheid in South Africa, and military dictatorships in South America - and ask: what patterns emerge? Do different contexts produce different types of perpetrators, such as “fanatics”, “masterminds”, and “followers"? Does social media, in our modern age, act as a kind of fanatic infrastructure, creating spaces like the manosphere, or even enabling perpetration? What is the role of “strongmen” like Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and Benjamin Netanyahu, in the perpetration of atrocities? How do other leaders, like NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, play a part in normalising violence?

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- Episode 4: Negotiating Displacement (13-02-2020)
- Episode 14: The Problems of Genocide (21-04-2021)
- Episode 19: Political Apologies across Cultures (21-02-2022)
- Episode 25: What is ‘Violence’? Debates and Directions (29-08-2022)
- Episode 26: Bones of Contention: the Vietnam-American War (8-9-2022)
- Episode 30: Revolutionary Worlds: Local Perspectives and Dynamics during the Indonesian Independence War, 1945-49 (6-2-2023)
- Episode 35: Between lines and lives: using ego-documents to study war and violence (8-9-2023)
Overview of all episodes
The NIOD Rewind podcast has been on air since 2019 and was created by Anne van Mourik and Thijs Bouwknegt. Check out an overview of all episodes below.
Season 7 NIOD Rewind Podcast
- Episode 47: Perpetrators of Mass Atrocities: Terribly and Terrifyingly Normal?
- Episode 46: Who Gets to Be a Victim? Trauma and Memory after the Dutch-Indonesian War (1945-1949)
Season 6 NIOD Rewind Podcast
- Episode 45: Under German occupation: Europe 1939-1945
- Episode 44: The End of Empires and a World Remade (25-6-2025)
- Episode 43: Hunger as a Weapon of War and Genocide (26-5-2025)
- Episode 42: 80 Years of Collecting War (8-5-2025)
- Flash Episode 41: History at stake: Trump, Putin and the War in Ukraine (24-2-2025)
Season 5 NIOD Rewind Podcast
- Episode 40: Early Postwar Tourism to Former Concentration Camps (23-9-2024)
- Episode 39: The Paradoxes of Fascist Internationalism (5-7-2024)
- Episode 38: Expelled from Care: the Dutch Mental Health System During World War II (24-5-2024)
- Episode 37: Navigating field research in conflict-affected societies: constraints and opportunities (12-3-2024)
- Episode 36: Between lines and lives: using ego-documents to study war and violence (30-1-2024)
- Episode 35: "Visual Narratives of Catastrophe": Thinking Photography and the Holocaust (8-9-2023)
Season 4 NIOD Rewind Podcast
- Episode 34: The Last Ghetto: An Everyday History of Theresienstadt (30-5-2023)
- Episode 33: 'Het leven in al zijn facetten': Dagboekfragmenten uit de Tweede Wereldoorloog. (14-4-2023)
- Episode 32: Voices That Matter: Kurdish Women at the Limits of Representation in Contemporary Turkey (23-3-2023)
- Episode 31: Between Community and Collaboration: 'Jewish Councils' in Western Europe under Nazi Occupation (24-2-2023)
- Episode 30: Revolutionary Worlds: Local Perspectives and Dynamics during the Indonesian Independence War, 1945-49 (6-2-2023)
- Episode 29: History under attack: The Battle for Memory in Today's Russia (18-1-2023)
- Episode 28: Heritages of Hunger: Memory is the Past made Present (24-11-2022)
- Episode 27: Why Humans Fight: The Social Dynamics of Close-Range Violence (4-11-2022)
- Episode 26: Bones of Contention: the Vietnam-American War (6-9-2022)
- Episode 25: What is 'Violence'? Debates and Directions (29-08-2022)
Season 3 NIOD Rewind Podcast
- Episode 24: ‘Alles wat onze kleinkinderen zullen leren’: In de archieven van het NIOD (30-05-2022)
- Episode 23: At Home in Our Sounds: Music, Race and Cultural Politics in Interwar Paris (11-5-2022)
- Episode 22: Born under a bad sign: The indelible Marks of Total War on Twentieth Century Lives (11-04-2022)
- Episode 21: Dynamics Of Violence In West Germany And The Netherlands (23-03-2022)
- Episode 20: Preparing for War: The Making of the Geneva Conventions (28-02-2022)
- Episode 19: Political Apologies across Cultures (21-02-2022)
Season 2 NIOD Rewind Podcast
- Episode 18: Global War, Global Catastrophe (19-11-2021)
- Episode 17: Fighting Hunger, Dealing with Shortage in WWII (19-10-2021)
- Episode 16: Aan tafel met Frank van Vree en Martijn Eickhoff (20-09-2021)
- Episode 15: Forced Disappearances Under Apartheid (10-05-2021)
- Episode 14: The Problems Of Genocide (21-04-2021)
- Episode 13: What are the next Big Topics in War and Genocide Research? (01-04-2021)
- Episode 12: WWII through Digital Gaming (15-03-2021)
Season 1 NIOD Rewind Podcast
- Episode 11: 'Fighters across Frontiers' (with Ismee Tames en Robert Gildea) (09-11-2020)
- Episode 10: 'Microdynamics of late colonial violence' (with Roel Frakking) (31-08-2020)
- Episode 9: Kerstin von Lingen (30-06-2020)
- Episode 8: Iva Vukušić (18-05-2020)
- Episode 7: Peter Romijn (14-04-2020)
- Episode 6: Ingrid de Zwarte (31-03-2020)
- Episode 5: Farabi Fakih (26-02-2020)
- Episode 4: Negotiating Displacement (Special) (13-02-2020)
- Episode 3: Natalya Vince (22-01-2020)
- Episode 2: Wim Manuhutu (17-12-2019)
- Episode 1: Kees Ribbens (13-11-2019)
Special series: Onzekere Tijden
In this special series of the NIOD Rewind podcast, NIOD researchers discuss the corona crisis and the uncertain times it brought. How do they experience the crisis themselves? And how, from the perspective of their research, do they analyse events in society? A special series in Dutch by: Anne van Mourik, Thijs Bouwknegt and Anne-Lise Bobeldijk.
- Onzekere Tijden - Episode 4 Frank van Vree (08-05-2020)
- Onzekere Tijden - Episode 3 Ralf Futselaar (28-04-2020)
- Onzekere Tijden - Episode 2 Uğur Ümit Üngör (07-04-2020)
- Onzekere Tijden - Episode 1 Ismee Tames (26-03-2020)





